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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:59:21 UTC Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Obtain terms to ORDER 3
using series solution for sin(y) gives:
Series solution will be of the form:
Then
Then substituting for y and y' in the ode:
I finally arrive at, after equating coefficients of like powers of x:
After finally expressing all the a's in terms of a_0 and using the fact that
I get a completely different answer to the BOOK ANSWER which is:
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:06:17 UTC Post subject: |
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| I get the same result as you... |
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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:09:07 UTC Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Hi Aswoods
Just to be clear, what do you get your final answer as?
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:53:32 UTC Post subject: Re: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients |
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| John Williams wrote: |
Obtain terms to ORDER 3
using series solution for sin(y) gives:
Series solution will be of the form:
Then
Then substituting for y and y' in the ode:
I finally arrive at, after equating coefficients of like powers of x:
After finally expressing all the a's in terms of a_0 and using the fact that
I get a completely different answer to the BOOK ANSWER which is:
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No, you expanded sin(y) about the wrong point. You need to expand near , not . _________________
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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:26:49 UTC Post subject: Series solution of ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Hi Outermeasure
You mean
Expansion of siny about pi/2:
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:21:12 UTC Post subject: Re: Series solution of ode by undetermined coefficients |
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| John Williams wrote: | Hi Outermeasure
You mean
Expansion of siny about pi/2:
..?
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Your RHS is not sin(y). _________________
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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:34:33 UTC Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Oops. Of Course!
Thanks
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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:36:56 UTC Post subject: Series solution to ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Hi again
I must admit this one is still causing me problems.
My working is:
On expanding and equating like powers of x and thus deriving expressions for all the a's in terms of a_0, and using a_0=y(0)=pi/2
I do not get the book answer.
BOOK ANSWER IS:
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Posted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:52:08 UTC Post subject: Re: Series solution to ode by undetermined coefficients |
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| John Williams wrote: | Hi again
I must admit this one is still causing me problems.
My working is:
On expanding and equating like powers of x and thus deriving expressions for all the a's in terms of a_0, and using a_0=y(0)=pi/2
I do not get the book answer.
BOOK ANSWER IS:
John |
Remember , so...
Alternatively, differentiate enough times and find out y'(0), y''(0) and y'''(0). _________________
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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:53:14 UTC Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Hi Outermeasure
I have now obtained the correct answer by the method of SUCCESSIVE DIFFERENTIATIONS but I'm dammed if I can get it by the method of UNDETERMINED COEFFICIENTS!
Sorry about this but I'm going to need some spoon feeding on getting it by this method.
Regards
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Posted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:36:09 UTC Post subject: Re: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients |
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| John Williams wrote: | Hi Outermeasure
I have now obtained the correct answer by the method of SUCCESSIVE DIFFERENTIATIONS but I'm dammed if I can get it by the method of UNDETERMINED COEFFICIENTS!
Sorry about this but I'm going to need some spoon feeding on getting it by this method.
Regards
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Since , so if , then
Hence, upon equating coefficients,
, so  _________________
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John Williams S.O.S. Oldtimer
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Posted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:04:56 UTC Post subject: Series solution to ode by undetermined coefficients |
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Thanks Outermeasure
Quite easy really.
I must be getting old!
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