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PostPosted: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:59:21 UTC    Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote


Obtain terms to ORDER 3
using series solution for sin(y) gives:

Series solution will be of the form:

Then

Then substituting for y and y' in the ode:
I finally arrive at, after equating coefficients of like powers of x:



After finally expressing all the a's in terms of a_0 and using the fact that

I get a completely different answer to the BOOK ANSWER which is:
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:06:17 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the same result as you...
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:09:07 UTC    Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

Hi Aswoods
Just to be clear, what do you get your final answer as?
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:53:32 UTC    Post subject: Re: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

John Williams wrote:

Obtain terms to ORDER 3
using series solution for sin(y) gives:

Series solution will be of the form:

Then

Then substituting for y and y' in the ode:
I finally arrive at, after equating coefficients of like powers of x:



After finally expressing all the a's in terms of a_0 and using the fact that

I get a completely different answer to the BOOK ANSWER which is:


No, you expanded sin(y) about the wrong point. You need to expand near , not .
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:26:49 UTC    Post subject: Series solution of ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

Hi Outermeasure
You mean
Expansion of siny about pi/2:
..?
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:21:12 UTC    Post subject: Re: Series solution of ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

John Williams wrote:
Hi Outermeasure
You mean
Expansion of siny about pi/2:
..?
John


Your RHS is not sin(y).
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:34:33 UTC    Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

Oops. Of Course!
Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:36:56 UTC    Post subject: Series solution to ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

Hi again
I must admit this one is still causing me problems.
My working is:

On expanding and equating like powers of x and thus deriving expressions for all the a's in terms of a_0, and using a_0=y(0)=pi/2
I do not get the book answer.
BOOK ANSWER IS:

John
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PostPosted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:52:08 UTC    Post subject: Re: Series solution to ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

John Williams wrote:
Hi again
I must admit this one is still causing me problems.
My working is:

On expanding and equating like powers of x and thus deriving expressions for all the a's in terms of a_0, and using a_0=y(0)=pi/2
I do not get the book answer.
BOOK ANSWER IS:

John


Remember , so...

Alternatively, differentiate enough times and find out y'(0), y''(0) and y'''(0).
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PostPosted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:53:14 UTC    Post subject: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

Hi Outermeasure
I have now obtained the correct answer by the method of SUCCESSIVE DIFFERENTIATIONS but I'm dammed if I can get it by the method of UNDETERMINED COEFFICIENTS!
Sorry about this but I'm going to need some spoon feeding on getting it by this method.
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PostPosted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:36:09 UTC    Post subject: Re: Series solution for ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

John Williams wrote:
Hi Outermeasure
I have now obtained the correct answer by the method of SUCCESSIVE DIFFERENTIATIONS but I'm dammed if I can get it by the method of UNDETERMINED COEFFICIENTS!
Sorry about this but I'm going to need some spoon feeding on getting it by this method.
Regards
John


Since , so if , then

Hence, upon equating coefficients,
, so
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PostPosted: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:04:56 UTC    Post subject: Series solution to ode by undetermined coefficients Reply with quote

Thanks Outermeasure
Quite easy really.
I must be getting old!
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