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Bitupon
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PostPosted: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:25:33 UTC    Post subject: Theory of equations. Reply with quote

Question: Solve 27(x^4)-195(x^3)+494(x^2)-520x+192=0, the roots being
in G.P

My Solution:-Since the equation is of degree 4 therefore it will have
four roots
Let the roots be a/(r^3),a/r,ar,a(r^3)

Then,
{a/(r^3)}+{a/r}+ar+a(r^3)=195/27=65/9


{(a^2)/(r^4)}+(a^2)+(a^2)(r^4)+(a^2)+{(a^2)/(r^2)}+(a^2)(r^2)=494/27

{(a^3)/(r^3)}+(a^3)(r^3)+(a^3)r+{(a^3)/r}=520/27

a^4=192/27=64/9

How to simplify from here onwards to arrive at the solutions?
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PostPosted: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:53:20 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, you shouldn't assume that the common ratio is r^2. The roots could after all be complex numbers, however, I largely suspect that this isnt the case in this situation.
Secondly, we can see its non-zero, since all four roots are non-zero, to justify division of r.

In either case, What you do is solve for the variable a from the last equation and plug it into one of the other equations. Verify all equations.
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PostPosted: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:36:36 UTC    Post subject: Re: Theory of equations. Reply with quote

Hello, Bitupon!

Quote:
Solve , the roots being in G.P

We have: .

If the roots are

Let the roots be:

Then: . . (1)

And: .
. . . .
. . . .
. . . . . (2)

We should be able to solve (1) and (2) for and
. . but I haven't done it yet . . .

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

I did, however, solve it with the Remainder Thereom.



. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Therefore, the roots are: . .with

. . . . . . or: . . with

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PostPosted: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:19:27 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote




the last two equation factors



but i am betting that the original poster skipped a phrase: all roots must be real
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PostPosted: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:04:39 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't see what's wrong with letting the common ratio be . What do non-real roots have to do with it?

The way I see it, Bitupon has used a bit of ingenuity to narrow down the possible values of a to only four possible values. He should be able to complete the problem by testing all four values in the other three equations until he arrives at a with a pair of values (a, r) that is consistent with the original quartic.
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