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KnuthFan19873
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:19:49 UTC    Post subject: Pullback Reply with quote

Calculate the line integral where C is the circle (x-1)^2+y^2=1 (go counterclockwise).

Use pullback, not Green's Theorem.

I parametrized the region with with t from 0 to 1 and with t from 0 to 1. Is that the best way to do it?
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:30:25 UTC    Post subject: Re: Pullback Reply with quote

KnuthFan19873 wrote:
Calculate the line integral where C is the circle (x-1)^2+y^2=1 (go counterclockwise).

Use pullback, not Green's Theorem.

I parametrized the region with with t from 0 to 1 and with t from 0 to 1. Is that the best way to do it?


No. Circles should be parametrized by sines and cosines.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:40:52 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

But its not centered at zero?
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:52:00 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is pullback? I've never heard the term.

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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:08:19 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go here.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:19:15 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

This circle can be expressed as r = 2 cos(theta). Theta is your parameter.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:33:15 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then, how do you change a differential 1-form to polar?
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:23:58 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

x - 1 = cos(t), and y = sin(t), 0 <= t <= 2pi. then dx = - sin(t)dt and dy = cos(t)dt.
hence: xdy - ydx = (1 + cos(t))dt, and sqrt(x^2 + y^2) = 2|cos(t/2)|. so you just
need to find the integral of 2(1 + cos(t))|cos(t/2)|, t from 0 to 2pi. this equals the
integral of 4(1 + cos(t))cos(t/2), t from 0 to pi, which is very easy to evaluate. the
final answer is 32/3.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:18:20 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done commutative. I also tried to do it with Green's Theorem and ran into the following problem:

I found that (omega is the original integrand). So, after converting to polar coordinates, Green's Theorem gives which equals zero unless you change the limits on the outer integral to -pi/2 to pi/2 in which case you get the right answer.

Why is this necessary?

Also, just curious, how can you just "get rid" of the wedge product of dx and dy when you do these kinds of problems?
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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:45:24 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

KnuthFan19873 wrote:
Go here.


Darn, this post got me excited cause I thought you were asking about

This type of pullback

perhaps in the right context the differential geometry pullback is a categorical pullback, but I'm not familiar enough with differential geometry to say.

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PostPosted: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:49:11 UTC    Post subject: Reply with quote

theta is obviously between -pi/2 and pi/2 and not 0 and pi.
note that half of the circle is in the first and the other half in the fourth
quadrant. if O is the origin (not the center of the circle) and A a point
inside (or on) the circle, then r = |OA| and theta is the angle between
x-axis and OA. to understand why theta is between -pi/2 & pi/2 better,
just choose some points in the circle, first or fourth quadrant, and see
how theta changes.
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